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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #225 on: March 30, 2014, 03:19:17 PM »
Some people might have a problem with her doing a acoustic album. But i will be the happiest person in the world if she did one (::  :rofl: :rofl: :firework:
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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #226 on: March 31, 2014, 06:18:36 AM »
But that won't happen, because the record company values her as probably their most important artist. I'd imagine there's a bit of pressure from Capitol to produce a hit-making album, which means standard pop. You wonder if a song like Dark Horse is something Katy was initially comfortable with. I can see the label telling her she has to do a song with a rapper to top charts. So the biggest difference between OOTB, TD, and Prism has to be what she has control of. OOTB was completely written by her. If the song is on the album, it was her idea. With TD, same thing for the most part, although guys like Dr. Luke came into the picture. But with Prism, there are certain songs that I can see her being told to write. But just speculation on my part. Regardless, I love the record and glad it's successful so far.

Very good point...and exactly how I feel.

*Applauds all involved in the recent insightful conversation*
Then - if that's how you feel - how will you still believe that Katy is a creative artist with her own ideas, and not the manufactured pop puppet she gets accused of being by those who can't stand her?
Remember the tweet about DH which read 'the people have spoken, I must listen'? - her fans on twitter were reading all sorts of nonsense into that and started ranting about producers and co writers - the reality was, the 'people' were the pop fans who streamed and bought the track and therewith had the positive influence on its success.
If you people really prefer to think that Katy is losing more and more of control of her artistic output to a record company then dream on your disturbing dream; just the fact that you think you could possibly guess what she is comfortable with and with what she isn't doesn't mean you can ever look inside her.
Katy doesn't need to be told to have a track with a rapper because it sells - she is at a level of knowledge of the market to guarantee she KNOWS anyway that it does - but that is the problem a lot of 'dedicated' fans have: if she does something they wish she hadn't done then, because it wasn't a hundred percent to their taste, then it's 'them'  having told her to do it.

P.S. also remember this  - Katy and her team of co writers wrote at least twice as much material as that which we know - and in the end it was her who selected it, deciding what was going to be on the album and what wasn't; of course, her team was involved, as they do all the work, suggestions, decisions together, but it isn't a person or company telling her, and her alone, which track to write or include.
 As a general guideline, I take it that people who doubt if she's comfortable with parts of an album are simply the people who are not comfortable with parts of an album.
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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #227 on: March 31, 2014, 11:56:30 AM »
But that won't happen, because the record company values her as probably their most important artist. I'd imagine there's a bit of pressure from Capitol to produce a hit-making album, which means standard pop. You wonder if a song like Dark Horse is something Katy was initially comfortable with. I can see the label telling her she has to do a song with a rapper to top charts. So the biggest difference between OOTB, TD, and Prism has to be what she has control of. OOTB was completely written by her. If the song is on the album, it was her idea. With TD, same thing for the most part, although guys like Dr. Luke came into the picture. But with Prism, there are certain songs that I can see her being told to write. But just speculation on my part. Regardless, I love the record and glad it's successful so far.

Very good point...and exactly how I feel.

*Applauds all involved in the recent insightful conversation*
Then - if that's how you feel - how will you still believe that Katy is a creative artist with her own ideas, and not the manufactured pop puppet she gets accused of being by those who can't stand her?
Remember the tweet about DH which read 'the people have spoken, I must listen'? - her fans on twitter were reading all sorts of nonsense into that and started ranting about producers and co writers - the reality was, the 'people' were the pop fans who streamed and bought the track and therewith had the positive influence on its success.
If you people really prefer to think that Katy is losing more and more of control of her artistic output to a record company then dream on your disturbing dream; just the fact that you think you could possibly guess what she is comfortable with and with what she isn't doesn't mean you can ever look inside her.
Katy doesn't need to be told to have a track with a rapper because it sells - she is at a level of knowledge of the market to guarantee she KNOWS anyway that it does - but that is the problem a lot of 'dedicated' fans have: if she does something they wish she hadn't done then, because it wasn't a hundred percent to their taste, then it's 'them'  having told her to do it.

P.S. also remember this  - Katy and her team of co writers wrote at least twice as much material as that which we know - and in the end it was her who selected it, deciding what was going to be on the album and what wasn't; of course, her team was involved, as they do all the work, suggestions, decisions together, but it isn't a person or company telling her, and her alone, which track to write or include.
 As a general guideline, I take it that people who doubt if she's comfortable with parts of an album are simply the people who are not comfortable with parts of an album.

You bring up a lot of interesting points.  Katy sort of bridges the gap between a singer-songwriter and a pop princess.  Many of her songs are anthems about being yourself and standing up for yourself.  But Capitol Records and Dr. Luke have the image as treating their artists like they are a piece of property. 

You are right that we won't know for sure what Katy is most comfortable with or least comfortable with.  But we can speculate based on the direction that she goes, as well as her own comments and mannerisms.  I've said before that Katy has 4 albums (if you include Katy Hudson), all very different on the surface, and based on ones own personal preference, people have a very strong opinion as to which album is the "real" Katy.  I believe that all 4 albums have elements of the real Katy (though I, unfortunately, have not heard most of Katy Hudson), and every song on each album could have potentially fit on at least one other album.

People who don't like Katy accuse her of selling out.  And you seem to feel that some of us are accusing her of selling out.  I do not see it that way.  Anybody who has a job sometimes has to do things that they don't want to do, whether it is due to pressure from above, or feeling that something is beneficial to one's career.  Katy is no different.  Most of us, including Katy, would never do things that we feel are morally wrong, but might do neutral things that we don't want to do.  In my job, as a traffic engineer, I might sometimes have to work on projects that I don't agree with, or make a design decision that a client demands that I don't necessarily agree with.  But I would never do something that would put the public safety at risk.  I believe you said that you are a wedding singer.  I'm sure that you have sung songs that you might not personally like, but were requested by the bride and groom.  And I'm sure that you've worked on nights that you would have preferred not to work.  But I doubt that you'd ever sing a song that you find morally offensive.

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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #228 on: March 31, 2014, 02:56:21 PM »
The Music industry is a very interesting and at times very volatile industry.. somewhat dog eat dog but not as bad as it used to be. ie. back in the 80's anyhow, Katy is allowed the freedom she is BECAUSE of the success she has attained.  remember in Part of me how they tried to crush her style previous to her landing at capitol. The industry is like that. I am old enough and grew uip on other genres ie AC/DC and its a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.. in interviews the band stated that it was a self bio of them put to song.. Katy went through a similar but not as bad struggle. To me Prism is her best work to date and I see her going in new directions as she gains exposure to new musical styles. Music is ever changing. I myself grew up with stuff like Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Moody Blues, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai,  Rolling Stones, Beatles etc. some I actually had the joy of seeing in concert.. If I listed all the music I grew up it would cross many genres as that is how I am.  What makes me love Katy's music is its honesty and creativity and just fun.  Her lyrics i.e. Firework reach out and saved my life when I was darkest and ready to permanently call it quits, it was just on a accidental click that I hit her song firework.. I had heard California Gurls and while Catchy and fun it at the time it did not much (but considering no song of that type did much for me (when you are in that much darkness its hard) but Firework hit me like a Kiss from katy and her Love and compassion through her lyrics made me realize that life was not worth giving up quite yet.  Since that date (12/26/10) life has had its share of speedbumps, the closest was oct/nov last year, but Unconditionally and Grace of God pulled me through along with the  rest of the album. Music can be a powerful influence on people and Katy like many artists realizes that.  what m,akes her so special is through all of her success she still loves her Katycats unconditionally and makes as much time as she can for us as she can and she keeps it real,
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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #229 on: March 31, 2014, 09:51:57 PM »
The Music industry is a very interesting and at times very volatile industry.. somewhat dog eat dog but not as bad as it used to be. ie. back in the 80's anyhow, Katy is allowed the freedom she is BECAUSE of the success she has attained.  remember in Part of me how they tried to crush her style previous to her landing at capitol. The industry is like that. I am old enough and grew uip on other genres ie AC/DC and its a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.. in interviews the band stated that it was a self bio of them put to song.. Katy went through a similar but not as bad struggle. To me Prism is her best work to date and I see her going in new directions as she gains exposure to new musical styles. Music is ever changing. I myself grew up with stuff like Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Moody Blues, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai,  Rolling Stones, Beatles etc. some I actually had the joy of seeing in concert.. If I listed all the music I grew up it would cross many genres as that is how I am.  What makes me love Katy's music is its honesty and creativity and just fun.  Her lyrics i.e. Firework reach out and saved my life when I was darkest and ready to permanently call it quits, it was just on a accidental click that I hit her song firework.. I had heard California Gurls and while Catchy and fun it at the time it did not much (but considering no song of that type did much for me (when you are in that much darkness its hard) but Firework hit me like a Kiss from katy and her Love and compassion through her lyrics made me realize that life was not worth giving up quite yet.  Since that date (12/26/10) life has had its share of speedbumps, the closest was oct/nov last year, but Unconditionally and Grace of God pulled me through along with the  rest of the album. Music can be a powerful influence on people and Katy like many artists realizes that.  what m,akes her so special is through all of her success she still loves her Katycats unconditionally and makes as much time as she can for us as she can and she keeps it real,

That's really touching, thanks for sharing. I think you've shed some light (and perspective) about what this all REALLY is about. The music is for the fans and listeners. Ultimately, what decides the success of the artist is exactly what is quoted above.

Additionally, maybe I'm a bit biased because I'm a sucker for music played with instruments in a rock band, so OOTB appeals to me musically maybe a bit more than Prism (not taking away anything from Prism). But I don't think there's any denying that the label has expectations, even from their most successful artists. I think we know and they know that at this given moment in time, a non-pop record from Katy would not be wildly successful like her previous records. She's still considered at the height of her career. I don't think they'd encourage, say an acoustic album, in the near future because they know they can successfully market more out of her right now.

Obviously, the music is the most important part, and none of what I'm saying detracts from Katy's artistry and musicmaking, but you must realize that she works in one of the largest entertainment industries on the planet, and she's arguably the face of it.


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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #230 on: March 31, 2014, 11:16:42 PM »
The Music industry is a very interesting and at times very volatile industry.. somewhat dog eat dog but not as bad as it used to be. ie. back in the 80's anyhow, Katy is allowed the freedom she is BECAUSE of the success she has attained.  remember in Part of me how they tried to crush her style previous to her landing at capitol. The industry is like that. I am old enough and grew uip on other genres ie AC/DC and its a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.. in interviews the band stated that it was a self bio of them put to song.. Katy went through a similar but not as bad struggle. To me Prism is her best work to date and I see her going in new directions as she gains exposure to new musical styles. Music is ever changing. I myself grew up with stuff like Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Moody Blues, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai,  Rolling Stones, Beatles etc. some I actually had the joy of seeing in concert.. If I listed all the music I grew up it would cross many genres as that is how I am.  What makes me love Katy's music is its honesty and creativity and just fun.  Her lyrics i.e. Firework reach out and saved my life when I was darkest and ready to permanently call it quits, it was just on a accidental click that I hit her song firework.. I had heard California Gurls and while Catchy and fun it at the time it did not much (but considering no song of that type did much for me (when you are in that much darkness its hard) but Firework hit me like a Kiss from katy and her Love and compassion through her lyrics made me realize that life was not worth giving up quite yet.  Since that date (12/26/10) life has had its share of speedbumps, the closest was oct/nov last year, but Unconditionally and Grace of God pulled me through along with the  rest of the album. Music can be a powerful influence on people and Katy like many artists realizes that.  what m,akes her so special is through all of her success she still loves her Katycats unconditionally and makes as much time as she can for us as she can and she keeps it real,

I am really glad that Katy and her music were there to save your life!

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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #231 on: March 31, 2014, 11:18:42 PM »
The Music industry is a very interesting and at times very volatile industry.. somewhat dog eat dog but not as bad as it used to be. ie. back in the 80's anyhow, Katy is allowed the freedom she is BECAUSE of the success she has attained.  remember in Part of me how they tried to crush her style previous to her landing at capitol. The industry is like that. I am old enough and grew uip on other genres ie AC/DC and its a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.. in interviews the band stated that it was a self bio of them put to song.. Katy went through a similar but not as bad struggle. To me Prism is her best work to date and I see her going in new directions as she gains exposure to new musical styles. Music is ever changing. I myself grew up with stuff like Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Moody Blues, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai,  Rolling Stones, Beatles etc. some I actually had the joy of seeing in concert.. If I listed all the music I grew up it would cross many genres as that is how I am.  What makes me love Katy's music is its honesty and creativity and just fun.  Her lyrics i.e. Firework reach out and saved my life when I was darkest and ready to permanently call it quits, it was just on a accidental click that I hit her song firework.. I had heard California Gurls and while Catchy and fun it at the time it did not much (but considering no song of that type did much for me (when you are in that much darkness its hard) but Firework hit me like a Kiss from katy and her Love and compassion through her lyrics made me realize that life was not worth giving up quite yet.  Since that date (12/26/10) life has had its share of speedbumps, the closest was oct/nov last year, but Unconditionally and Grace of God pulled me through along with the  rest of the album. Music can be a powerful influence on people and Katy like many artists realizes that.  what m,akes her so special is through all of her success she still loves her Katycats unconditionally and makes as much time as she can for us as she can and she keeps it real,

That's really touching, thanks for sharing. I think you've shed some light (and perspective) about what this all REALLY is about. The music is for the fans and listeners. Ultimately, what decides the success of the artist is exactly what is quoted above.

Additionally, maybe I'm a bit biased because I'm a sucker for music played with instruments in a rock band, so OOTB appeals to me musically maybe a bit more than Prism (not taking away anything from Prism). But I don't think there's any denying that the label has expectations, even from their most successful artists. I think we know and they know that at this given moment in time, a non-pop record from Katy would not be wildly successful like her previous records. She's still considered at the height of her career. I don't think they'd encourage, say an acoustic album, in the near future because they know they can successfully market more out of her right now.

Obviously, the music is the most important part, and none of what I'm saying detracts from Katy's artistry and musicmaking, but you must realize that she works in one of the largest entertainment industries on the planet, and she's arguably the face of it.

I see your point.  But the story above is a reason why she needs to promote By the Grace of God, even if it means sacrificing a radio hit.

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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #232 on: April 01, 2014, 12:02:46 AM »
I see your point.  But the story above is a reason why she needs to promote By the Grace of God, even if it means sacrificing a radio hit.

I totally agree, although I'm afraid of the public reaction to it being "non-secular". If only she could market it as another name, say, "Stay". Idk


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Re: Miley leaving Pop After Bangerz?
« Reply #233 on: April 01, 2014, 09:06:44 AM »
I see your point.  But the story above is a reason why she needs to promote By the Grace of God, even if it means sacrificing a radio hit.

I totally agree, although I'm afraid of the public reaction to it being "non-secular". If only she could market it as another name, say, "Stay". Idk

I still feel that Katy needs to do the right thing, and promote "By the Grace of God", and not worry what people think.  If people refuse to listen to anything non-secular, that's their loss.
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Re: Miley leaving Pop After Bangerz?
« Reply #234 on: April 01, 2014, 04:40:59 PM »
But that won't happen, because the record company values her as probably their most important artist. I'd imagine there's a bit of pressure from Capitol to produce a hit-making album, which means standard pop. You wonder if a song like Dark Horse is something Miley was initially comfortable with. I can see the label telling her she has to do a song with a rapper to top charts. So the biggest difference between OOTB, TD, and Bangerz has to be what she has control of. OOTB was completely written by her. If the song is on the album, it was her idea. With TD, same thing for the most part, although guys like Dr. Luke came into the picture. But with Bangerz, there are certain songs that I can see her being told to write. But just speculation on my part. Regardless, I love the record and glad it's successful so far.

Very good point...and exactly how I feel.

*Applauds all involved in the recent insightful conversation*
Then - if that's how you feel - how will you still believe that Miley is a creative artist with her own ideas, and not the manufactured pop puppet she gets accused of being by those who can't stand her?
Remember the tweet about DH which read 'the people have spoken, I must listen'? - her fans on twitter were reading all sorts of nonsense into that and started ranting about producers and co writers - the reality was, the 'people' were the pop fans who streamed and bought the track and therewith had the positive influence on its success.
If you people really prefer to think that Miley is losing more and more of control of her artistic output to a record company then dream on your disturbing dream; just the fact that you think you could possibly guess what she is comfortable with and with what she isn't doesn't mean you can ever look inside her.
Miley doesn't need to be told to have a track with a rapper because it sells - she is at a level of knowledge of the market to guarantee she KNOWS anyway that it does - but that is the problem a lot of 'dedicated' fans have: if she does something they wish she hadn't done then, because it wasn't a hundred percent to their taste, then it's 'them'  having told her to do it.

P.S. also remember this  - Miley and her team of co writers wrote at least twice as much material as that which we know - and in the end it was her who selected it, deciding what was going to be on the album and what wasn't; of course, her team was involved, as they do all the work, suggestions, decisions together, but it isn't a person or company telling her, and her alone, which track to write or include.
 As a general guideline, I take it that people who doubt if she's comfortable with parts of an album are simply the people who are not comfortable with parts of an album.

You bring up a lot of interesting points.  Miley sort of bridges the gap between a singer-songwriter and a pop princess.  Many of her songs are anthems about being yourself and standing up for yourself.  But Capitol Records and Dr. Luke have the image as treating their artists like they are a piece of property. 

You are right that we won't know for sure what Miley is most comfortable with or least comfortable with.  But we can speculate based on the direction that she goes, as well as her own comments and mannerisms.  I've said before that Miley has 4 albums (if you include Miley Hudson), all very different on the surface, and based on ones own personal preference, people have a very strong opinion as to which album is the "real" Miley.  I believe that all 4 albums have elements of the real Miley (though I, unfortunately, have not heard most of Miley Hudson), and every song on each album could have potentially fit on at least one other album.

People who don't like Miley accuse her of selling out.  And you seem to feel that some of us are accusing her of selling out.  I do not see it that way.  Anybody who has a job sometimes has to do things that they don't want to do, whether it is due to pressure from above, or feeling that something is beneficial to one's career.  Miley is no different.  Most of us, including Miley, would never do things that we feel are morally wrong, but might do neutral things that we don't want to do.  In my job, as a traffic engineer, I might sometimes have to work on projects that I don't agree with, or make a design decision that a client demands that I don't necessarily agree with.  But I would never do something that would put the public safety at risk.  I believe you said that you are a wedding singer.  I'm sure that you have sung songs that you might not personally like, but were requested by the bride and groom.  And I'm sure that you've worked on nights that you would have preferred not to work.  But I doubt that you'd ever sing a song that you find morally offensive.

Do I make sense here?
Put katy_ Hudson in YouTube search and you can listen to the whole album.  :)
I think my point is more that Katy_ has chosen this career because she's a genius where the marketing is concerned and that she doesn't have to be 'pressurised' to do anything because she already knows, and knew from the beginning, what she's been doing.
What I find pointless is that portrayal of people connected with her professionally as being evil, not letting her do what she wants to do, and telling her which songs to write no matter if she likes them or not - that's pure nonsense.
Katy_ doesn't just march into a studio saying 'I'm starting an acoustic album today', with somebody else saying, 'Oh no, you're not!' - Katy_ knows when the time for it comes and when it isn't there yet. She merely said she'd like to do an acoustic album, she never said this was the next thing for her to do. People mix those things up because they don't listen and draw conclusions by - not listening. What is so wrong is that people think their personal wishes would have to be reality, and when they find they're not they accuse people like dr Luke of not letting her do them. That is what doesn't make sense.
The point for Katy_ is not that the industry can make a lot of money out of her - her point is that with the PWT she will cross the border over her net worth's first 100,000,000 dollar, and after that she will aim for the second one etc, and that is a large part of reality which people seem to forget totally! Of course she wouldn't waste her time at the wrong point concentrating on something which doesn't make the money, and what I'm trying to say is that Katy_ is in fact blessed with all the intelligence and knowledge to know what to do and how to - she doesn't need to be told what she's 'allowed' to do and what not, because to go that road is what she's personally aiming for anyway. 
Her fans only see her lovely, compassionate, somewhat cutely eccentric side where they want to see it, but what they don't see is that Katy_ is not only an artist but also a super successful business person - not the clueless and scatterbrained artist who lives in a different world and needs to be guided by a business company - She is the business!

[On the side, no, I'm no longer a wedding singer or anything in that direction which I used to do. I only take bookings for gigs these days. I used to play classical guitar at weddings, but now it's all sex, coffee, and Rock 'n' Roll. I changed to a steel string guitar and sing mainly Beatles and Katy_ Perry_ in the music clubs.
It is true that I adjust what I do to other people, especially to a musician I've started to work with, I usually ask her about everything I want to do and wait for her 'yes' or 'no' - but then you can hardly compare me to Katy_ . But I have never played what I didn't like, because I never just don't like something - I'm a music man, for me it's all just music. If someone wants me to present a song they like it's an honor to me to be asked]


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Re: Miley leaving Pop After Bangerz?
« Reply #235 on: April 01, 2014, 04:58:14 PM »
The Music industry is a very interesting and at times very volatile industry.. somewhat dog eat dog but not as bad as it used to be. ie. back in the 80's anyhow, Miley is allowed the freedom she is BECAUSE of the success she has attained.  remember in Part of me how they tried to crush her style previous to her landing at capitol. The industry is like that. I am old enough and grew uip on other genres ie AC/DC and its a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.. in interviews the band stated that it was a self bio of them put to song.. Miley twerked through a similar but not as bad struggle. To me Bangerz is her best work to date and I see her going in new directions as she gains exposure to new musical styles. Music is ever changing. I myself grew up with stuff like Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Moody Blues, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai,  Rolling Stones, Beatles etc. some I actually had the joy of seeing in concert.. If I listed all the music I grew up it would cross many genres as that is how I am.  What makes me love Miley's music is its honesty and creativity and just fun.  Her lyrics i.e. Firework reach out and saved my life when I was darkest and ready to permanently call it quits, it was just on a accidental click that I hit her song firework.. I had heard California Gurls and while Catchy and fun it at the time it did not much (but considering no song of that type did much for me (when you are in that much darkness its hard) but Firework hit me like a Kiss from Miley and her Love and compassion through her lyrics made me realize that life was not worth giving up quite yet.  Since that date (12/26/10) life has had its share of speedbumps, the closest was oct/nov last year, but Unconditionally and Grace of God pulled me through along with the  rest of the album. Music can be a powerful influence on people and Miley like many artists realizes that.  what m,akes her so special is through all of her success she still loves her Katycats unconditionally and makes as much time as she can for us as she can and she keeps it real,

That's really touching, thanks for sharing. I think you've shed some light (and perspective) about what this all REALLY is about. The music is for the fans and listeners. Ultimately, what decides the success of the artist is exactly what is quoted above.

Additionally, maybe I'm a bit biased because I'm a sucker for music played with instruments in a rock band, so OOTB appeals to me musically maybe a bit more than Bangerz (not taking away anything from Bangerz). But I don't think there's any denying that the label has expectations, even from their most successful artists. I think we know and they know that at this given moment in time, a non-pop record from Miley would not be wildly successful like her previous records. She's still considered at the height of her career. I don't think they'd encourage, say an acoustic album, in the near future because they know they can successfully market more out of her right now.

Obviously, the music is the most important part, and none of what I'm saying detracts from Miley's artistry and musicmaking, but you must realize that she works in one of the largest entertainment industries on the planet, and she's arguably the face of it.
In the case of Katy_ , I think it isn't what the industry can market out of her - it's what Katy_ can market out of the industry. I'm convinced that this division between her and the industry doesn't exist - 'they' both follow exactly the same interests. And she's making a damn good job of it.


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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #236 on: April 02, 2014, 04:10:50 PM »
will always support Katy and I would love an acoustic album also  :pinkbow: when Katy performs, acoustic is usually her best anyway




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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #237 on: April 02, 2014, 06:28:26 PM »
Of course I would LOVE that!!!
As a Katycat I think we will all support her,no matter what she does; and Katy has an amazing voice for acoustic music, It'll revive my Katy Hudson feels!!!  :flowerpower:

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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #238 on: April 02, 2014, 07:49:05 PM »
1) I will really love an acoustic album, I think that kind of songs suits her better.

I think she'll leave the TGIF side of things more and sing more mature pop songs, hopefully not all ballads.  I can see an Acoustic EP happening/a few songs on an album, but probably not a whole album!

I can also see her doing an 'Anti-Tour' performing b-sides/rarities/acoustic songs/album tracks in small venues, like Kylie did!

I think she won't do an album right now but, as Jacques says, an Acoustic EP is possible.

2) Why pop is different from acoustic? It only changes the instruments you use. She still can be in pop and do some acoustic songs.

3)
It's interesting that Prism is the album that people on this thread seem to think is the least Katy, given that Katy said that Prism is her most personal album ever.

Yeah, in my opinion is her most personal album with OOTB.

4)
You are right that we won't know for sure what Katy is most comfortable with or least comfortable with.  But we can speculate based on the direction that she goes, as well as her own comments and mannerisms.  I've said before that Katy has 4 albums (if you include Katy Hudson), all very different on the surface, and based on ones own personal preference, people have a very strong opinion as to which album is the "real" Katy.  I believe that all 4 albums have elements of the real Katy (though I, unfortunately, have not heard most of Katy Hudson), and every song on each album could have potentially fit on at least one other album.

We forget that every album reflects the Katy she was at that period of time and that's beautiful. You can see all her toughts, feelings, things she liked at certain moment.

It's the same with us. We grow up, gain experience and that's why we think, feel, love, enjoy different. Even our music tastes changes. And it's not bad. We are still that person of x years ago. Maybe we don't notice it like we do with artists that leave a piece of art that reflects that in more obvious ways.

5)
I know Katy's brother, David (who uses the stage name Hudson) is a singer.  Has anyone heard him?  Is he any good?  Would his voice fit well with Katy's?  If so, then they should record a duet together.  Maybe that could boost his career.

He actually follows me on twitter! I don't know how to describe his voice. It's raspy I guess? I don't know if a duet would work for the purpose of I feel like the only type of duet that would work for them is a acoustic duet, and normally duets done acoustically are love duets, and that might be a little awkward.  Here's a link to his Soundcloud though if you want to hear him, his EP is currently free to download off of it: https://soundcloud.com/officialHUDSON

I don't think Katy and David would do a duet, at least not now. David is already with his band, begining with his career that's different from Katy... it would be lovely but a mistake if he wants to be known as a musican of his own and not for being Katy's brother.

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Re: Katy leaving Pop After Prism?
« Reply #239 on: April 04, 2014, 11:26:38 PM »
In regards to By The Grace of God being a single, not gonna happen. Much like Not Like the Movies wasn't a single, and much like how I'm Still Breathing wasn't a single.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutly love By The Grace of God, and think it's an amazing song, but no one is A) Going to play it on a popular music station for 1) It's more depressing elements and 2) It's major slowdown compared to other songs such as Roar or Dark Horse. B) Going to want to listen to it on a regular basis (minus katycats) like Roar, Firework etc.

The song is best off being left on the album and on tour.

Moving on to the acoustic album talks.

Full on album is not bond to happen for awhile, if at all. Once she's done with PWT, people are going to be hungry for more new Katy Perry. They're not going to want to go from songs like Birthday and Roar to acoustic songs only. Maybe an EP or something, but a full blown 13 track album is highly unlikely to happen.

Moving on again, she's not going to "leave" pop. Katy Perry is pop. It's not like she's going to do a 180 and become Kat Perry and go all hardcore metal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIzoWNQqnEQ)

As for which album is the real Katy, they're all the real Katy. Like it was said previously, they each showcase and are made up of Katy at that particular moment.

Katy Hudson was back when she was really into her faith in terms of hardcore christian or w/e as she grew up with pastors for parents.

OOTB was made up of her own personal writings as she tried to make it big.

Teenage Dream was big on love and more cartoony and fun loving as she was finally in the big light.

PRISM is all about love and self-empowerment and shows the matured side of Katy.

Katy is a textbook case of a good musician. Evolving every step of the way. You always want your second album to be better than the first, and the third better than the second etc. etc.

Lets take AC/DC for example. I kinda like their music, but notice how a lot of their songs seem like they could be off of the same album. Why do you think I love KISS so much as well as Katy? KISS has 20 albums, and each one sounds different than the previous. Katy has 3 (not counting Hudson era), and each one has a different and unique sound.

Also don't expect to see a Katy/David song anytime soon for the same reasons listed above in Kenobi's post.

I stand by my extreme want and desire for a box set or something D:

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