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Offline steviep24

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2016, 12:24:00 AM »
You're the problem with this country. You have your head so far up your own ass with your head so fucking stuck on your own beliefs that you can't think of anything from a logical perspective. I've tried to be nice to you for much of your entire forum presence but I just can't stand for this anymore. I've fought with you on countless efforts over the same things over and over and over and it makes me want to bang my head on a brick wall because you can't get it through your thick skull that other people have differing opinions from you and that we too, do not agree with what you're saying but we do not try to instigate a fight over our political views, and that you, a conservative republican has come to a mostly liberal democratic fan base to instigate drama. And for that matter, where the hell have you been? Have you really got nothing better to do than to fight over what a pop star stands for politically on a forum so you decided "let me come back months later to try to fight with people on a popstar forum over politics! haha." I sure as hell could think of countless better things to do but I'm sick of hearing it so I'm responding.

You don't actually realize that people can actually change their views and that we're living in an era of change. Katy IS a feminist for fuck sake. Katy also was harbored at a young age to be homophobic, hell, many gay people are grown to be homophobic. But they change their views. I mean I know this is a very hard concept to grasp because clearly you haven't changed a bit since you've started this forum but people do change their views and don't have to follow what their parents brainwashed them to believe from birth!!!

Being a feminist isn't a dirty word. It's advocating for gender equality and realizing that women do not deserve to be treated as a lesser human being, and whether or not you agree or not this is the definition, and women ARE mistreated in this country.

Katy donated 10,000 dollars to Planned Parenthood because it is something she is passionate for and because it caters to many things besides abortion. Planned Parenthood provides a variety of different services to women of low income and without it many women would not get the help that they need. Much of what Planned Parenthood does is free compared to a government supplemented health insurance that would reduce the cost of something but in many cases does not pay for entire medical costs. Honestly who makes one donation to one specific place when there's so many good charities? Katy donates all the time.

I can already tell that you are a white cis heterosexual male because of your staunch republican Christian views. You do not realize that Hillary DID win by popular vote and that it's the 3rd party votes and the electoral college that made her lose this. You don't realize that Trump was NOT the lesser of two evils. You do not realize that Trump was just as sketchy as Hillary if not more and you do not realize that since you are in a place of power electing Trump will have no effect on you. You do not realize that all of Trump's cabinet fights to remove gay rights, women's rights, and strive to diminish the minority communities to "make America great White Again." These people are crying because they're scared that they might have their lives pulled apart. These people are protesting in their free time. You're hypocritical to say the least to imply that these people cannot protest as you yourself has said that you have Freedom Of Speech. It seems as though the rules only imply to you. And before you try it, this post is coming from a white male, I recognize that I have a privilege and intend to use my voice to help amplify others and make the world better for all minorities. You had almost nothing that you could lose from Hillary winning in comparison to Trump.

And honestly I will never understand why Christian's won't leave their opinions out of the government. Our government was built upon the principles that we would have separation from state for a reason. So if built upon facts of science an opinion was formed you should not be able to push your religious views down someones throat to try to stop someone from doing something. How would y'all feel if other religions tried to force their opinions on you? How would you feel if Muslims tried to stop everyone in the United States from eating pork because they believe it's unholy and both the Quran and the Bible states this.

Honestly I'm done with this shit. I'm not going to waste my time fighting you for hours upon hours over politics because I know this post is literally just going to be divided into a multiple response reply and you're not going to budge on things at all.

All I can say is you really need to check yourself at the door because you clearly don't understand your privileges.
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I never could understand how a Conservative Republican could be a fan of a pop star who is obviously a Liberal Democrat. Regardless of what her upbringing was and who her parents are.

And, why do religious conservatives often think that Planned Parenthood only does abortions and nothing else?
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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2016, 01:04:18 AM »
⬆️ Maybe because they see that ONE thing out of a hundred and to them it's like a key hate target which sets them off and they're blind to seeing anything else? Well yeah, they've truly understood the New Testament  :eyes: (I've read through it more than once but I'm an agnostic  :lol: )
About 'Christians' - I know a man nearly 70 years old and an atheist, he gave me a house to live in free of charge to save me from sleeping in the street for at least 3 winters. He paid the heating and electricity bills for me when I couldnt, apart from not charging me rent.
My point is, he doesn't believe in any religious fluff just like I don't either but in terms of 'Christian' he would be the most Christian person I know.
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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2016, 01:26:29 AM »
I don't see how anyone could find anything negative in women being able to get the healthcare they need without having to pay anything for it but maybe I'm too "liberal" to understand. Planned Parenthood is hugely important for women of all ages and I don't even want to BEGIN to think about all the women that could have ended up dead because they couldn't get the healthcare they needed.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2016, 01:32:41 AM »
You're the problem with this country. You have your head so far up your own ass with your head so fucking stuck on your own beliefs that you can't think of anything from a logical perspective. I've tried to be nice to you for much of your entire forum presence but I just can't stand for this anymore. I've fought with you on countless efforts over the same things over and over and over and it makes me want to bang my head on a brick wall because you can't get it through your thick skull that other people have differing opinions from you and that we too, do not agree with what you're saying but we do not try to instigate a fight over our political views, and that you, a conservative republican has come to a mostly liberal democratic fan base to instigate drama. And for that matter, where the hell have you been? Have you really got nothing better to do than to fight over what a pop star stands for politically on a forum so you decided "let me come back months later to try to fight with people on a popstar forum over politics! haha." I sure as hell could think of countless better things to do but I'm sick of hearing it so I'm responding.

You don't actually realize that people can actually change their views and that we're living in an era of change. Katy IS a feminist for fuck sake. Katy also was harbored at a young age to be homophobic, hell, many gay people are grown to be homophobic. But they change their views. I mean I know this is a very hard concept to grasp because clearly you haven't changed a bit since you've started this forum but people do change their views and don't have to follow what their parents brainwashed them to believe from birth!!!

Being a feminist isn't a dirty word. It's advocating for gender equality and realizing that women do not deserve to be treated as a lesser human being, and whether or not you agree or not this is the definition, and women ARE mistreated in this country.

Katy donated 10,000 dollars to Planned Parenthood because it is something she is passionate for and because it caters to many things besides abortion. Planned Parenthood provides a variety of different services to women of low income and without it many women would not get the help that they need. Much of what Planned Parenthood does is free compared to a government supplemented health insurance that would reduce the cost of something but in many cases does not pay for entire medical costs. Honestly who makes one donation to one specific place when there's so many good charities? Katy donates all the time.

I can already tell that you are a white cis heterosexual male because of your staunch republican Christian views. You do not realize that Hillary DID win by popular vote and that it's the 3rd party votes and the electoral college that made her lose this. You don't realize that Trump was NOT the lesser of two evils. You do not realize that Trump was just as sketchy as Hillary if not more and you do not realize that since you are in a place of power electing Trump will have no effect on you. You do not realize that all of Trump's cabinet fights to remove gay rights, women's rights, and strive to diminish the minority communities to "make America great White Again." These people are crying because they're scared that they might have their lives pulled apart. These people are protesting in their free time. You're hypocritical to say the least to imply that these people cannot protest as you yourself has said that you have Freedom Of Speech. It seems as though the rules only imply to you. And before you try it, this post is coming from a white male, I recognize that I have a privilege and intend to use my voice to help amplify others and make the world better for all minorities. You had almost nothing that you could lose from Hillary winning in comparison to Trump.

And honestly I will never understand why Christian's won't leave their opinions out of the government. Our government was built upon the principles that we would have separation from state for a reason. So if built upon facts of science an opinion was formed you should not be able to push your religious views down someones throat to try to stop someone from doing something. How would y'all feel if other religions tried to force their opinions on you? How would you feel if Muslims tried to stop everyone in the United States from eating pork because they believe it's unholy and both the Quran and the Bible states this.

Honestly I'm done with this shit. I'm not going to waste my time fighting you for hours upon hours over politics because I know this post is literally just going to be divided into a multiple response reply and you're not going to budge on things at all.

All I can say is you really need to check yourself at the door because you clearly don't understand your privileges.

*slow clap*

I love that conservatives also never seem to take issue with Trump raping his wife or a 13yr old girl, but get irrationally angry over someone supporting the choice to abort.

Go start a tumblr blog and rant there mits. I'm sure you'll find more people with views similar to yours.
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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2016, 02:31:03 AM »
You're the problem with this country. You have your head so far up your own ass with your head so fucking stuck on your own beliefs that you can't think of anything from a logical perspective. I've tried to be nice to you for much of your entire forum presence but I just can't stand for this anymore. I've fought with you on countless efforts over the same things over and over and over and it makes me want to bang my head on a brick wall because you can't get it through your thick skull that other people have differing opinions from you and that we too, do not agree with what you're saying but we do not try to instigate a fight over our political views, and that you, a conservative republican has come to a mostly liberal democratic fan base to instigate drama. And for that matter, where the hell have you been? Have you really got nothing better to do than to fight over what a pop star stands for politically on a forum so you decided "let me come back months later to try to fight with people on a popstar forum over politics! haha." I sure as hell could think of countless better things to do but I'm sick of hearing it so I'm responding.

You don't actually realize that people can actually change their views and that we're living in an era of change. Katy IS a feminist for fuck sake. Katy also was harbored at a young age to be homophobic, hell, many gay people are grown to be homophobic. But they change their views. I mean I know this is a very hard concept to grasp because clearly you haven't changed a bit since you've started this forum but people do change their views and don't have to follow what their parents brainwashed them to believe from birth!!!

Being a feminist isn't a dirty word. It's advocating for gender equality and realizing that women do not deserve to be treated as a lesser human being, and whether or not you agree or not this is the definition, and women ARE mistreated in this country.

Katy donated 10,000 dollars to Planned Parenthood because it is something she is passionate for and because it caters to many things besides abortion. Planned Parenthood provides a variety of different services to women of low income and without it many women would not get the help that they need. Much of what Planned Parenthood does is free compared to a government supplemented health insurance that would reduce the cost of something but in many cases does not pay for entire medical costs. Honestly who makes one donation to one specific place when there's so many good charities? Katy donates all the time.

I can already tell that you are a white cis heterosexual male because of your staunch republican Christian views. You do not realize that Hillary DID win by popular vote and that it's the 3rd party votes and the electoral college that made her lose this. You don't realize that Trump was NOT the lesser of two evils. You do not realize that Trump was just as sketchy as Hillary if not more and you do not realize that since you are in a place of power electing Trump will have no effect on you. You do not realize that all of Trump's cabinet fights to remove gay rights, women's rights, and strive to diminish the minority communities to "make America great White Again." These people are crying because they're scared that they might have their lives pulled apart. These people are protesting in their free time. You're hypocritical to say the least to imply that these people cannot protest as you yourself has said that you have Freedom Of Speech. It seems as though the rules only imply to you. And before you try it, this post is coming from a white male, I recognize that I have a privilege and intend to use my voice to help amplify others and make the world better for all minorities. You had almost nothing that you could lose from Hillary winning in comparison to Trump.

And honestly I will never understand why Christian's won't leave their opinions out of the government. Our government was built upon the principles that we would have separation from state for a reason. So if built upon facts of science an opinion was formed you should not be able to push your religious views down someones throat to try to stop someone from doing something. How would y'all feel if other religions tried to force their opinions on you? How would you feel if Muslims tried to stop everyone in the United States from eating pork because they believe it's unholy and both the Quran and the Bible states this.

Honestly I'm done with this shit. I'm not going to waste my time fighting you for hours upon hours over politics because I know this post is literally just going to be divided into a multiple response reply and you're not going to budge on things at all.

All I can say is you really need to check yourself at the door because you clearly don't understand your privileges.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2016, 03:51:38 AM »
So many responses here.  I don't have time to respond to everything individually.  But I will respond to the main points:

People who claim that abortion is a "women's right to choose": why does a woman's right to choose take precedence over another person's right to life?  If Taylor Swift murdered Katy, I seriously doubt that you would say that was a woman's right to choose.  How is that different?

About democracy: if you live in a democracy, then you have to come to terms with the fact that, roughly half of the time, your candidate is going to lose.  Democracy is based on people on the losing side accepting the fact that their candidate lost, and moving on, and then hoping to win the next election.

About being afraid to live in the US now that Trump is president: You need to remember that the US has a thing called checks and balances, and that the president doesn't hold all of the power.  Yes, I realize that the Republicans control both the House and the Senate.  But not everybody always votes along party lines.  Also, in the Senate, the minority party, the Democrats in this case, have the power to filibuster, and they have more than enough votes to filibuster anything.  As for the Supreme Court: remember, although Roberts was nominated by a Republican president, he voted to uphold Obamacare, and he has voted in favor of gay marriage.  And, although it has never happened, the Democrats can filibuster an especially controversial nominee by Trump.  So no need to be afraid to live in the US.  Trump is not the king.  He shares power with Congress and with the Supreme Court.  Also keep in mind that in midterm elections (2018 being the next one), the party out of power nearly always gains seats, so the Democrats are nearly certain to take over at least the senate.

About the electoral college: I will preface this by saying that I am no fan of the electoral college.  But, it is not accurate to definitely say that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.  First of all, they do not count the absentee ballots in states that were decided by a wide enough margin that the absentee ballots could not swing the state.  Since absentee ballots tend to favor Republicans, that means that Trump has many more popular votes that are not counted.  Although it is not known for sure, most experts believe that in 2000, Bush would have won the popular vote if every absentee ballot was counted.  Also, keep in mind that if the election was decided by popular vote, the candidates would have used different campaign strategies, and perhaps voters who stayed home may have voted, and voters who voted for a third party may have voted for a major candidate.  So, we cannot definitely say who would have won if the elections were based on the popular vote (as, admittedly, they should be).

About this being a liberal Democrat forum: please show me where it says in the rules that only liberal Democrats are allowed to post here?

About people being surprised that a conservative Republican would be a fan of a liberal Democratic pop star: nearly all celebrities are liberal Democrats.  If I only listened to artists who shared my political views, I would almost literally not be able to listen to any music.  Until now, Katy hasn't been a political singer.  And, until recently, the only issue she discussed was gay marriage, and none of her songs were about that anyway.

About white male privilege: I honestly have never received any special privileges for being a white male.  Many people forget that although most CEOs may be white males, most white males are not CEOs.

About Katy getting more educated on social views: I find it extremely offensive that you consider becoming more liberal to be getting more educated.  If anything, it was Katy being brainwashed by Hollywood celebrity culture.  Unfortunately, Katy has only experienced the 2 extremes: the extreme conservatism of her parents, and the extreme liberalism of Hollywood.  She needed to be exposed to something in the middle, which, unfortunately, never happened.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2016, 01:18:05 PM »
now I know why i don't visit this forum like i used to. too much negativity.. ehh.
But okay, let's just spread some love and accept that there are different opinions we have to accept.

But just one thing. Mitsguy. I don't think a women choses to be raped and then carry the child of her rapist with her. I think nobody who had to suffer through this could imagine this traumatization. No need for you to bring Taylor Swift in here. I am not saying that everybody who uses abortion got raped, but anyway, this has nothing to do with your life and shouldn't bother you at all. Peace out x

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2016, 05:06:40 PM »
I really didn't intend for this to become a discussion about abortion.  I realize that it's a serious issues where we all have strong opinions, which are not likely to be changed by strangers on a message board.  My intent was to express how I feel that Katy showed no compassion for her mother, and about how I feel that Katy is a hypocrite.  I realize that others here, who basically worship Katy, are going to disagree.  I'm surprised the moderator hasn't locked this thread yet.  But I think we have all stated our opinions, and I see no reason for either side to continue this thread.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2016, 06:55:53 PM »
I really didn't intend for this to become a discussion about abortion.  I realize that it's a serious issues where we all have strong opinions, which are not likely to be changed by strangers on a message board.  My intent was to express how I feel that Katy showed no compassion for her mother, and about how I feel that Katy is a hypocrite.  I realize that others here, who basically worship Katy, are going to disagree.  I'm surprised the moderator hasn't locked this thread yet.  But I think we have all stated our opinions, and I see no reason for either side to continue this thread.

Excuse me, NEVER call Katy a hypocrite when you have NO clue about how she felt or even if she knew. It happened WAY before she was born. No, we don't "worship" Katy. We have our own lives. We love her for who she is. We don't criticize her on everything she does or says like you do. You should have been banned a long time ago.
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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2016, 08:00:25 PM »
You can't say you didn't want an argument about abortion when you clearly stated it was wrong in your original post and acted like Katy was a monster for supporting Planned Parenthood. You knew what you were doing and it backfired.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2016, 10:16:01 PM »
I really didn't intend for this to become a discussion about abortion.  I realize that it's a serious issues where we all have strong opinions, which are not likely to be changed by strangers on a message board.  My intent was to express how I feel that Katy showed no compassion for her mother, and about how I feel that Katy is a hypocrite.  I realize that others here, who basically worship Katy, are going to disagree.  I'm surprised the moderator hasn't locked this thread yet.  But I think we have all stated our opinions, and I see no reason for either side to continue this thread.

Excuse me, NEVER call Katy a hypocrite when you have NO clue about how she felt or even if she knew. It happened WAY before she was born. No, we don't "worship" Katy. We have our own lives. We love her for who she is. We don't criticize her on everything she does or says like you do. You should have been banned a long time ago.

Unfortunately for you, the moderator doesn't agree with you, and doesn't want me banned.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2016, 03:01:12 AM »
Interesting discourse here....but not entirely appropriate for our forum, so I'm going to be locking this thread.

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