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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2016, 02:47:07 AM »
soooo you're mad she donated to planned parenthood....and then you go on to complain that the amount she donated was not enough. I'm confused. Do you want her to donate or not? You cant have it both ways lmao

I don't want her to donate anything to Planned Parenthood.  But my point is that everybody is acting like $10,000 is so much money, when it is absolutely nothing compared to her net worth.  I've donated more to charity compared to my net worth, as have probably most people, but the media doesn't care about us.  My point is that Katy's $10,000 donation will not make any meaningful change to anybody's life.  But she is doing it to appease her feminist fans, while telling the rest of us that we don't matter.  After she repeatedly claimed not to be a feminist.  My problem is more that Katy is being an opportunist to appease one group of people, while telling the rest of us that we don't matter.  I would respect her more if she just merely had views that I didn't agree with, rather than being an opportunist.

I also hope you realize that celebrities such as Katy (and, I have heard Katy's name mentioned in particular) cost Hillary Clinton the election.  Trump winning was a rejection of celebrity culture.  People, such as myself, are tired of celebrities, such as Katy, who know nothing about the issues, telling the rest of us that we don't matter.

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Also,you do understand that abortions are only a very small percentage of what PP does right? They offer SO MUCH more than that.... cancer screenings,birth control ect. They've helped MANY women and it's a bit concerning to me that you dont seem to grasp how important that could be for women that cannot afford basic health care. It could literally be life or death. Maybe research something the next time you decide to speak out against it

Planned Parenthood is not the only provider that provides those services.  If insurance is the issue, then Katy should have applied for Medicaid.  She would have been eligible if she was as broke as she claims to have been.  Then again, I never believed that Katy was nearly as poor as she wants us to believe.
If all you're going to do is critise Katy then why are you here? You consider yourself a fan but I have never seen you say anything positive about her at all. You come here to start fights with people and then get angry when people don't want to see your point of view. Being a feminist does NOT by any means make somebody stupid and it's quite insulting that you feel it does. She has never said she was no a feminist. In fact she's made it clear she is so I'm not sure where you're getting your information from. I'm honestly sick and tired of seeing your posts about how awful feminism is as if that's the worst possible thing someone can be. It's getting old.

As I have said, I have posted a lot of positive things about Katy, but I get labeled as "whining" when I do so.  Try looking at my post history from when Prism was released and when I attended the Prismatic World Tour.  More recently, I haven't had as much positive to post about Katy, since she has done nothing in the past year but try to influence low information voters into voting for a politician who I don't like.

Here are 2 links showing that Katy said "I am not a feminist".  You may want to check your facts before calling me a liar:
http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-12-03/katy-perry-im-not-a-feminist/
http://jezebel.com/5964727/katy-perry-billboards-woman-of-the-year-is-not-a-feminist

That is just 2 links.  There are many more.

I never said that a feminist is the most awful thing somebody can be.  I would respect Katy if she always had a certain belief, even one that I disagree with.  I cannot respect her for being an opportunist and appeasing one group of fans, knowing that the rest of us have nowhere to go.

You still have not answered: why do you have no compassion toward Mary?
So because she supports a politician you don't that means everyone that supports that same politcian is of low intelligence. You got a real problem buddy if you believe people that do not share the same opinion as you are stupid.

No, I never said that people who support politicians that I don't like are stupid.

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Katy has shown time and time again that she is a feminist. You ignore that because to you all feminist are evil and you don't want to associate Katy with something you believe to be so terrible, even though feminism is nothing but a positive movement that has helped women across the globe for decades and has continued to do so.

Katy herself said that she was not a feminist.  I posted proof of that, but you seem to ignore it.  And now all of a sudden Katy is a feminist since it's convenient to do so.  My problem has nothing to do with support or rejection of feminism.  My problem is Katy being an opportunist, and appeasing one subset of her fans while telling another subset that we don't matter.

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I dont understand how Mary's experiences are supposed to prove that abortion is an awful thing or how it is supposed to influence Katy's views in it but just because she regrets it does not mean every single woman in the world that has had an abortion does.

Again, why do you have no compassion for Mary, the woman who gave birth to your favorite celebrity?

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It is a personal choice that needs to be carefully considered. It isn't for everyone but it comes down to being able to make that choice and not having someone else decide it for you.

Why should a woman have the right to end a life?  If somebody murdered Katy, would you just say that it was her right to choose?  I seriously hope not.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2016, 07:09:18 PM »
A pheeew things... :theface:

Abortions are not what planned parenthood is about. (as everybody has already said) On Instagram, Katy explained well enough how in her transition from child to young adulthood they were the only place she could rely on to find out how a woman's body's inside works.
PP is there to make sure millions of women in her (then) situation or other women's health situations are not left alone but have the support and education they need. You don't walk in there like into a store saying, I want an abortion please - that's by far, far, far not how it works and their aim is by no means at all to simply facilitate abortions. A common misunderstanding.


You have not always only said positive things about Katy.


Neither have I.
We're only human, sometimes we rant or vent about something.



Smackyoutwice was around when Katy played and sang to a few hundred ppl, happy to collect enough money to pay the bills. Katy recognised her during a TV broadcast from Australia by just having her username mentioned to her. if I don't know what Katy did on Christmas 10 years ago, she probably does - so, no, nobody would be happier without her around.


10 000 dollar is 10 000 dollar. Don't confuse net worth with actual money. Discussing that she should have donated more but it was wrong to donate at all is pointless confusion anyway.
After November 8th I began asking myself how could I ever help people from outside, in a place thousands of miles away who will face a hard time now. Katy gave us the answer. She had a wish for her birthday to all, she has one now. It's not a hard decision to fulfil her a wish  she may voice to her fans usually once a year mostly if at all.

To define or undefine Katy as feminist is also pointless, first we'd have to define feminist itself.

This is not the time to squabble about Katy's charity project support choices. We're all going through worries like not for many decades. Katy is one of the strongest persons shining a light into this darkness. I've spent over a week in upset and sickening fear of the very, very near future. There are people around me who've helped me to keep sane, but Katy is just like one of them even if she lives on a different continent. 

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2016, 03:55:15 AM »
A pheeew things... :theface:

Abortions are not what planned parenthood is about. (as everybody has already said) On Instagram, Katy explained well enough how in her transition from child to young adulthood they were the only place she could rely on to find out how a woman's body's inside works.

I find that very hard to believe.  In the absence of any other information (which in itself is unlikely), there was always her public library.  And, I keep saying, if she was as broke as she claims to have been, she would have been eligible for Medicaid, where she could see other doctors.

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PP is there to make sure millions of women in her (then) situation or other women's health situations are not left alone but have the support and education they need. You don't walk in there like into a store saying, I want an abortion please - that's by far, far, far not how it works and their aim is by no means at all to simply facilitate abortions. A common misunderstanding.


You have not always only said positive things about Katy.


Neither have I.
We're only human, sometimes we rant or vent about something.

But certain posters seem to feel that I have no right to post anything negative about Katy.

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Smackyoutwice was around when Katy played and sang to a few hundred ppl, happy to collect enough money to pay the bills. Katy recognised her during a TV broadcast from Australia by just having her username mentioned to her.

That doesn't matter.  That does not give her the right to be completely rude to me for no reason at all.  I'm not talking about this or recent threads.  She was completely rude to me since I joined this forum for absolutely no reason at all.

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if I don't know what Katy did on Christmas 10 years ago, she probably does

Irrelevant.

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- so, no, nobody would be happier without her around.

I would be happier without her around.  But I realize that, like it or not, she has as much right to post as I do.  So she needs to accept that I have as much of a right to post as she does.

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10 000 dollar is 10 000 dollar. Don't confuse net worth with actual money. Discussing that she should have donated more but it was wrong to donate at all is pointless confusion anyway.

$10,000 is an insignificant amount of money.  It was just to appease her feminist fans, while telling the rest of us that we don't matter.

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After November 8th I began asking myself how could I ever help people from outside, in a place thousands of miles away who will face a hard time now. Katy gave us the answer. She had a wish for her birthday to all, she has one now. It's not a hard decision to fulfil her a wish  she may voice to her fans usually once a year mostly if at all.

Donating an insignificant amount of money to an organization that murders babies, and telling the rest of us that we don't matter is not the solution.

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To define or undefine Katy as feminist is also pointless, first we'd have to define feminist itself.

That is true.  Then again, Katy admitted that she was too dumb to know what a feminist was.

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This is not the time to squabble about Katy's charity project support choices. We're all going through worries like not for many decades. Katy is one of the strongest persons shining a light into this darkness. I've spent over a week in upset and sickening fear of the very, very near future. There are people around me who've helped me to keep sane, but Katy is just like one of them even if she lives on a different continent.

You need to realize that in a democracy, your candidate is not always going to win.  And life moves on.  Celebrities such as Katy have a hard time not getting their way.  So this is a dose of reality for her and other celebrities.  At the voting booth, a regular person's vote, such as myself, counts the same as a celebrity's vote.  In my adult life, I have voted for many candidates who have won, and I have voted for many candidates who have lost.  I understand and accept that sometimes my candidate will win, and sometimes they will lose.  When somebody that I don't like wins, I still have to go to work the next day as if it were any other day.  I don't have the luxury of sitting at home and crying.  I also understand that sometimes, such as last week's election, I will have to make an unenviable choice between two very deeply flawed candidates.  Voting for Trump gave me no pleasure, but I chose him as the lesser of two evils.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2016, 09:01:03 AM »
Believe whatever you fucking want to believe. Not gonna repeat myself. If you think ten thousand dollars is an insignificant amount of money I'll be happy to DM you with my details where you can send them to me. Cheers.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2016, 05:08:43 PM »
Believe whatever you fucking want to believe. Not gonna repeat myself. If you think ten thousand dollars is an insignificant amount of money I'll be happy to DM you with my details where you can send them to me. Cheers.

You need your mouth washed out with soap.  lol.

Ask Katy for $10,000.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2016, 05:21:44 PM »
I did. She told me to fuck off.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2016, 05:48:11 PM »
I don't quite understand how a man that is against gay marriage,has said awful things about Mexicans and people of other races,called Muslim terrorists and has been accused of sexual assault on a number of occasions among other terrible things is considered less evil than a woman that had a private email server but to each their own. Maybe it's because she's a feminist which is something you are very clearly against is what made you not vote for her. Doesn't matter. You clearly do not want to hear others opinions OR do your own research on Planned Parenthood before coming here to start this thread, because if you had then you would know why it is so important. Others have tried to get you to see why Planned Parenthood is a good thing but you're so stuck in your own opinion you refuse to hear it. People have a problem with you because you start problems about trivial things that Katy does and you seem to start arguments with everyone. While it's true you do have just as much right to post here as everyone else,you may want to refrain from being so negative if you do not want to be judged. We have just as much right to disagree with you.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2016, 05:54:38 PM »
I don't quite understand how a man that is against gay marriage,has said awful things about Mexicans and people of other races,called Muslim terrorists and has been accused of sexual assault on a number of occasions among other terrible things is considered less evil than a woman that had a private email server but to each their own. Maybe it's because she's a feminist which is something you are very clearly against is what made you not vote for her. Doesn't matter. You clearly do not want to hear others opinions OR do your own research on Planned Parenthood before coming here to start this thread, because if you had then you would know why it is so important. Others have tried to get you to see why Planned Parenthood is a good thing but you're so stuck in your own opinion you refuse to hear it. People have a problem with you because you start problems about trivial things that Katy does and you seem to start arguments with everyone. While it's true you do have just as much right to post here as everyone else,you may want to refrain from being so negative if you do not want to be judged. We have just as much right to disagree with you.

As I've said before, it gave me no joy voting for Trump.  I was seriously considering a write-in.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2016, 06:26:37 PM »
I don't quite understand how a man that is against gay marriage,has said awful things about Mexicans and people of other races,called Muslim terrorists and has been accused of sexual assault on a number of occasions among other terrible things is considered less evil than a woman that had a private email server but to each their own. Maybe it's because she's a feminist which is something you are very clearly against is what made you not vote for her. Doesn't matter. You clearly do not want to hear others opinions OR do your own research on Planned Parenthood before coming here to start this thread, because if you had then you would know why it is so important. Others have tried to get you to see why Planned Parenthood is a good thing but you're so stuck in your own opinion you refuse to hear it. People have a problem with you because you start problems about trivial things that Katy does and you seem to start arguments with everyone. While it's true you do have just as much right to post here as everyone else,you may want to refrain from being so negative if you do not want to be judged. We have just as much right to disagree with you.

As I've said before, it gave me no joy voting for Trump.  I was seriously considering a write-in.
You still voted for a man that is homophobic,racist and misogynist and because of your decision and the decision of of other like minded people who have also decided to vote him in as our president, millions of people now feel insafe living in their own country. Hillary wasn't perfect,but she certainly wasn't the more evil of the two.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2016, 06:36:03 PM »
I don't quite understand how a man that is against gay marriage,has said awful things about Mexicans and people of other races,called Muslim terrorists and has been accused of sexual assault on a number of occasions among other terrible things is considered less evil than a woman that had a private email server but to each their own. Maybe it's because she's a feminist which is something you are very clearly against is what made you not vote for her. Doesn't matter. You clearly do not want to hear others opinions OR do your own research on Planned Parenthood before coming here to start this thread, because if you had then you would know why it is so important. Others have tried to get you to see why Planned Parenthood is a good thing but you're so stuck in your own opinion you refuse to hear it. People have a problem with you because you start problems about trivial things that Katy does and you seem to start arguments with everyone. While it's true you do have just as much right to post here as everyone else,you may want to refrain from being so negative if you do not want to be judged. We have just as much right to disagree with you.

As I've said before, it gave me no joy voting for Trump.  I was seriously considering a write-in.
You still voted for a man that is homophobic,racist and misogynist and because of your decision and the decision of of other like minded people who have also decided to vote him in as our president, millions of people now feel insafe living in their own country. Hillary wasn't perfect,but she certainly wasn't the more evil of the two.

You voted for a woman who does not want unborn babies to be safe even in their own mother's womb.

If you don't like our country anymore, then leave.  Maybe you can find a dictatorship where people don't have the right to vote, so that you don't have to worry about somebody whose views you don't like being elected.

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2016, 06:53:38 PM »
I don't quite understand how a man that is against gay marriage,has said awful things about Mexicans and people of other races,called Muslim terrorists and has been accused of sexual assault on a number of occasions among other terrible things is considered less evil than a woman that had a private email server but to each their own. Maybe it's because she's a feminist which is something you are very clearly against is what made you not vote for her. Doesn't matter. You clearly do not want to hear others opinions OR do your own research on Planned Parenthood before coming here to start this thread, because if you had then you would know why it is so important. Others have tried to get you to see why Planned Parenthood is a good thing but you're so stuck in your own opinion you refuse to hear it. People have a problem with you because you start problems about trivial things that Katy does and you seem to start arguments with everyone. While it's true you do have just as much right to post here as everyone else,you may want to refrain from being so negative if you do not want to be judged. We have just as much right to disagree with you.

As I've said before, it gave me no joy voting for Trump.  I was seriously considering a write-in.
You still voted for a man that is homophobic,racist and misogynist and because of your decision and the decision of of other like minded people who have also decided to vote him in as our president, millions of people now feel insafe living in their own country. Hillary wasn't perfect,but she certainly wasn't the more evil of the two.

You voted for a woman who does not want unborn babies to be safe even in their own mother's womb.

If you don't like our country anymore, then leave.  Maybe you can find a dictatorship where people don't have the right to vote, so that you don't have to worry about somebody whose views you don't like being elected.
I believe in women having a choice in what they want to do with their  own bodies. For someone who just complained about people being rude to you because you're sharing your opinion you sure do have a problem with other people stating theirs

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2016, 06:53:54 PM »
You're the problem with this country. You have your head so far up your own ass with your head so fucking stuck on your own beliefs that you can't think of anything from a logical perspective. I've tried to be nice to you for much of your entire forum presence but I just can't stand for this anymore. I've fought with you on countless efforts over the same things over and over and over and it makes me want to bang my head on a brick wall because you can't get it through your thick skull that other people have differing opinions from you and that we too, do not agree with what you're saying but we do not try to instigate a fight over our political views, and that you, a conservative republican has come to a mostly liberal democratic fan base to instigate drama. And for that matter, where the hell have you been? Have you really got nothing better to do than to fight over what a pop star stands for politically on a forum so you decided "let me come back months later to try to fight with people on a popstar forum over politics! haha." I sure as hell could think of countless better things to do but I'm sick of hearing it so I'm responding.

You don't actually realize that people can actually change their views and that we're living in an era of change. Katy IS a feminist for fuck sake. Katy also was harbored at a young age to be homophobic, hell, many gay people are grown to be homophobic. But they change their views. I mean I know this is a very hard concept to grasp because clearly you haven't changed a bit since you've started this forum but people do change their views and don't have to follow what their parents brainwashed them to believe from birth!!!

Being a feminist isn't a dirty word. It's advocating for gender equality and realizing that women do not deserve to be treated as a lesser human being, and whether or not you agree or not this is the definition, and women ARE mistreated in this country.

Katy donated 10,000 dollars to Planned Parenthood because it is something she is passionate for and because it caters to many things besides abortion. Planned Parenthood provides a variety of different services to women of low income and without it many women would not get the help that they need. Much of what Planned Parenthood does is free compared to a government supplemented health insurance that would reduce the cost of something but in many cases does not pay for entire medical costs. Honestly who makes one donation to one specific place when there's so many good charities? Katy donates all the time.

I can already tell that you are a white cis heterosexual male because of your staunch republican Christian views. You do not realize that Hillary DID win by popular vote and that it's the 3rd party votes and the electoral college that made her lose this. You don't realize that Trump was NOT the lesser of two evils. You do not realize that Trump was just as sketchy as Hillary if not more and you do not realize that since you are in a place of power electing Trump will have no effect on you. You do not realize that all of Trump's cabinet fights to remove gay rights, women's rights, and strive to diminish the minority communities to "make America great White Again." These people are crying because they're scared that they might have their lives pulled apart. These people are protesting in their free time. You're hypocritical to say the least to imply that these people cannot protest as you yourself has said that you have Freedom Of Speech. It seems as though the rules only imply to you. And before you try it, this post is coming from a white male, I recognize that I have a privilege and intend to use my voice to help amplify others and make the world better for all minorities. You had almost nothing that you could lose from Hillary winning in comparison to Trump.

And honestly I will never understand why Christian's won't leave their opinions out of the government. Our government was built upon the principles that we would have separation from state for a reason. So if built upon facts of science an opinion was formed you should not be able to push your religious views down someones throat to try to stop someone from doing something. How would y'all feel if other religions tried to force their opinions on you? How would you feel if Muslims tried to stop everyone in the United States from eating pork because they believe it's unholy and both the Quran and the Bible states this.

Honestly I'm done with this shit. I'm not going to waste my time fighting you for hours upon hours over politics because I know this post is literally just going to be divided into a multiple response reply and you're not going to budge on things at all.

All I can say is you really need to check yourself at the door because you clearly don't understand your privileges.


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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2016, 08:29:34 PM »
You're the problem with this country. You have your head so far up your own ass with your head so fucking stuck on your own beliefs that you can't think of anything from a logical perspective. I've tried to be nice to you for much of your entire forum presence but I just can't stand for this anymore. I've fought with you on countless efforts over the same things over and over and over and it makes me want to bang my head on a brick wall because you can't get it through your thick skull that other people have differing opinions from you and that we too, do not agree with what you're saying but we do not try to instigate a fight over our political views, and that you, a conservative republican has come to a mostly liberal democratic fan base to instigate drama. And for that matter, where the hell have you been? Have you really got nothing better to do than to fight over what a pop star stands for politically on a forum so you decided "let me come back months later to try to fight with people on a popstar forum over politics! haha." I sure as hell could think of countless better things to do but I'm sick of hearing it so I'm responding.

You don't actually realize that people can actually change their views and that we're living in an era of change. Katy IS a feminist for fuck sake. Katy also was harbored at a young age to be homophobic, hell, many gay people are grown to be homophobic. But they change their views. I mean I know this is a very hard concept to grasp because clearly you haven't changed a bit since you've started this forum but people do change their views and don't have to follow what their parents brainwashed them to believe from birth!!!

Being a feminist isn't a dirty word. It's advocating for gender equality and realizing that women do not deserve to be treated as a lesser human being, and whether or not you agree or not this is the definition, and women ARE mistreated in this country.

Katy donated 10,000 dollars to Planned Parenthood because it is something she is passionate for and because it caters to many things besides abortion. Planned Parenthood provides a variety of different services to women of low income and without it many women would not get the help that they need. Much of what Planned Parenthood does is free compared to a government supplemented health insurance that would reduce the cost of something but in many cases does not pay for entire medical costs. Honestly who makes one donation to one specific place when there's so many good charities? Katy donates all the time.

I can already tell that you are a white cis heterosexual male because of your staunch republican Christian views. You do not realize that Hillary DID win by popular vote and that it's the 3rd party votes and the electoral college that made her lose this. You don't realize that Trump was NOT the lesser of two evils. You do not realize that Trump was just as sketchy as Hillary if not more and you do not realize that since you are in a place of power electing Trump will have no effect on you. You do not realize that all of Trump's cabinet fights to remove gay rights, women's rights, and strive to diminish the minority communities to "make America great White Again." These people are crying because they're scared that they might have their lives pulled apart. These people are protesting in their free time. You're hypocritical to say the least to imply that these people cannot protest as you yourself has said that you have Freedom Of Speech. It seems as though the rules only imply to you. And before you try it, this post is coming from a white male, I recognize that I have a privilege and intend to use my voice to help amplify others and make the world better for all minorities. You had almost nothing that you could lose from Hillary winning in comparison to Trump.

And honestly I will never understand why Christian's won't leave their opinions out of the government. Our government was built upon the principles that we would have separation from state for a reason. So if built upon facts of science an opinion was formed you should not be able to push your religious views down someones throat to try to stop someone from doing something. How would y'all feel if other religions tried to force their opinions on you? How would you feel if Muslims tried to stop everyone in the United States from eating pork because they believe it's unholy and both the Quran and the Bible states this.

Honestly I'm done with this shit. I'm not going to waste my time fighting you for hours upon hours over politics because I know this post is literally just going to be divided into a multiple response reply and you're not going to budge on things at all.

All I can say is you really need to check yourself at the door because you clearly don't understand your privileges.
Apparently Katy is not allowed to change her views or become
more educated on social issues. He expects her to have the same outlook her entire life because he does. He also doesnt want to associate her with feminism because he thinks its disgusting :eyes:

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Re: Very disappointed with Katy
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2016, 09:57:35 PM »
 
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Apparently Katy is not allowed to change her views or become
more educated on social issues. He expects her to have the same outlook her entire life because he does. He also doesnt want to associate her with feminism because he thinks its disgusting :eyes:
I'm sure she never started at the level he thinks she did. She was further than a lot of adults at 16 from what I've seen.

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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2016, 11:36:18 PM »
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Apparently Katy is not allowed to change her views or become
more educated on social issues. He expects her to have the same outlook her entire life because he does. He also doesnt want to associate her with feminism because he thinks its disgusting :eyes:
I'm sure she never started at the level he thinks she did. She was further than a lot of adults at 16 from what I've seen.
I don't think she understood what feminism meant in the beginning which is why she claimed she wasn't one. She's obviously become more educated in the subject in the last couple years so I'm not sure why her views in the past are even relevant considering she has shown since that she is a feminist